Start-Up (2020)

Heartwarming and full of kindness

Well, I might be giving different perspective about this drama. After watching it all, in my opinion, 16 episodes are too short to tell more about the main roles stories and also the complexity of them.
I think the episode 1-12 catch the greater attention of all episodes. The potential of every characters show up. But the last 4 episodes are kinda giving less excitement. Many people become upset about it, yeah me too. But I think I understand the writer. It maybe because the writer wants to make 'everything falls right into place' thing. But still, it upsets me. Episode 16 is kinda confusing because most of the part tell about the bidding but the ending seems like too much jumping.
It's an introduction drama to start up world. So rather than showing the story behind, it highlights more on what step they're into. So it makes sense if in 3 years they are like jumping to a whole different situations.
I guess not everyone would like to see it. But I understand that every characters portray the real thing in real life.
Like Nam Dosan who has like everything (great parents, friends, smart, good looking) is lost inside. Many said he was a cheater, but he has a pure heart and never think to harm, he still learns to be more mature.
They are in their 30s, but it's possible for them to act childish. The unnecessary emotions are just unnecessary. But yeah, sometimes it happens in real life.
And what I learn from this drama is that, everything that start with kindness is always find the way.

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love story of Dosan and Dalmi--suka banget!

most drama review comes with gradient score. just like ombre colour.
There's 9, 9.5, 8, 8.5. One or two extreme 4, 5 is still consider normal.
After all we're human with different thought and liking and background.

For start up, you will not see this gradient. Its either North or South.
There's gang of 1-5 score and 8,5-10. a few 6 and 7 right here and there.

although I use mydramalist as my main reference for wathing dramas,
I conclude based on the reviews that I read.
Its very easy to know, once a person's liking is coffee, there's no way you can
make him like tea.
Same things with yoga. either hate it or love it. maybe.

I honestly think that, giving score below 5 for dramas that. you've finished its kind a odd.
Because, hey, you got through 16 episodes is by choice right! no once is forcing you.

I dropped many dramas too, but I think my time is too precious to spend couple minutes
for hatred message. let alone for allocating 16 episodes for something that "meh" me.

Let me tell you several facts about Start Up:
1. Binge watch. I watch all episodes in 3 days. That is averagely 5 episodes in a day.
I watch it while running on treadmill, and yess it help me to get thru 30 minutes of running and 30 minutes of walking, and im not even an avid runner. I'm overweight and struggle for exercise.
so, itsss exciting!

2. I then continue watching the episodes on my 82" television. Boy, it surely is thread to the eyes.
the picture is so very thoughtful think of.

3. I loveee romance. I'm cancer born June. And it delivers..
All the moments of Dosan and Seo Dal mi ... as Indonesia we will say, "kereeen banget", or "bikin baper"
I'm all feelings for them.

4. If you like the romance, you will be presented with many beautiful things here. Relation between the other cast. The sister, mom, grandma, the brotherhood.

5. Love triangle.... hmmmm.. im not sure. Isnt that love triangle means that at least the girl like a bit of the other guy?
let say...... Strong Woman Do Bong Soon, where bong soon had a heavy crush on gook doo... thats love triangle..
or Arsenal Military Academy, where the female lead like shen junshan throughout one/third of the story?
or Go Back couple... that even send me to second lead syndrome..

but here,
Dalmi never had a real crush on HJP
All the affection, emotions is toward Dosan only.

HJP helps with his own way. But then start up is about Dalmi and Dosan. Its their story.
Other completes it in a perfect way.

Let's not let other opinion stop us from experiencing our future drama.

Dive in, no expectation and you will be hooked.
i'm giving them 10.

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WILL NEVER RECOMMEND TO ANYONE UNLESS I HATE THEM

The drama started out with a definitive story with characters having so much potential. The backstories were rich and emotional. The cinematography was quite good, too. However, the story just started to flop. There were limited character development and each time, it was proven to be inutile. The message the drama wanted to convey was blurry. The whole plot was messy and inconsistent. A lot of the small details were left open and hanging. The drama is ending in a very cliche manner and tbh, cringy. All in all, I'm just relieved that this drama ended because it is stressful.

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actually pretty good if you are being objective

One among the few, who actually liked the drama. Yes, my favorite character (probably all time favorite character in the whole k-drama history) is the second lead. Yes, I felt personally attacked whenever he, Han Ji Pyeong, was treated unfairly. Yes, I hated the drama to guts whenever he suffered. But, objectivly spoken, is the drama bad? No, it's actually quite good. I think it's one of the better work of the screenwriter. Honestly, I never even saw any chemistry between HJP and the female lead SDL, I just naturally wanted him to succeed because I wanted him at least once to not receive the shorter end. But he is actually fine xD As a viewer you are kind of tricked into perceiving him as this pitiful, lonely, good natured boy with a harsh past, but he is a charming, successful businessman, who does just fine. A little spoiler for those who have already seen the drama , if you stilI want to watch it skip that part

*SPOILER* - my take on ep 16 and HJPs stand

First of all as HJP pointed out to Dalmi, he not even once tried to contact her after the letter exchange. I do believe that he really liked her but after ep 16 I'm not even sure if he actually loved her xD maybe he just wanted to belong to her as in her family, be truly accepted as a member of the seo family and I think grandma's plead or rather her wakening call that he is already part of it, always has been and will be, was the actual 'success' he needed all along , and let's be real the greatest chemistry to be found in this drama was between HJP and halmoni, so no SDM needed xD also I liked the little extras in ep 16, how he gets to meet the incarnation of the comforting voice, the funny moments with his junior park dong chun and his awkward, cute reconciliation with Nam Do San and even the melodramatic exit scene which smoothly transitioned into the title banner.

*END OF SPOILER*

Well the drama isn't perfect for its dragging parts in the second half, the lack of character portrayal of some side characters (isn't it funny how Alex just vanished xD) and SDM lacking emotions, but overall I enjoyed the business theme, the relationship between the characters, the OST and the visuaaaals... So 8/10 for me...and in case I didn't make myself clear enough, you gonna fall in love with the second lead and turn into his avenger who pledges vengeance, be prepared.

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Strays from the plot of the start-up but is still extremely enjoyable and heartwarming!

It is actually a benefit to binge watch it all at once- that way you will never go to internet and get into the fuss of this love triangle and enjoy the show for what is- A heartwarming story of all the people involved in the evolution of a start-up and how their professional and personal life changes after meeting one another and how they eventually grow to become better versions of themselves.

The first few episodes are enough to convince you to watch this drama! The premise is quite interesting and the characters have realistic personalities with flaws. You will be engrossed since the first episode and the cinematography and color tone of this drama is bright and beautiful! The set that they built for sandbox is also done so well!

However, the issue here is that the show's central plotline is not the start-up, but an extremely dragged love triangle. I say dragged only because to me, it was always obvious who she should end up with and where her heart always was. I would have enjoyed had they focused on the start-up aspect more but the story is character-centric and thus I was invested in all the characters and their journey and that was enough for me to go on!

There is a lot of fuss on the internet about which character should our FL end up with? I was in love with how our ML Do San was written-The perfect root-able qualities we generally give to the 2nd Lead are in the Male Lead here and that is really exciting for me to watch.

The love for the Second ML, Han Ji Pyeong was always on the rise when the show was airing. My issue was that his character's storyline was reduced to his linkage with the love line. He could have been given a much more interesting storyline and the love triangle should have stopped sooner. Rather a storyline which gave rise to the friendship of Do san and Han Ji Pyeong would have benefited the show greatly.

Another wasted potential was the story of In Jae. She was an interesting character that deserved more screen time.

The most amazing to me was the storyline of the 3 boys in SamSan Tech. I really wanted to see them succeed and their friendship and loyalty was warming to see. The entire support cast of the show really added to its value as a whole and made it what it is.

Kim Seon Ho and Nam Joo Hyuk deserve a special shout-out as they nail their roles and act superbly. I am glad that Kim Seon Ho got so much recognition through this show and I hope we see him in many projects that are to come.
I am not a big Suzy fan in terms of acting (no offence to anyone who loves her I do like her personality as well), but here the role of Dal Mi really suits her and this maybe her best acting performance yet.

If all that I said appeals to you in some way, go for it! The show is never dull and engaging till the end!

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People need to stop relating bad review to KSH's fans alone

I'm a casual viewer and I'm not even fans of the cast but seriously, their fanwar is getting so annoying.

It's true that the plot went downhill halfway because there were many aspects that were not properly addressed, there was no proper closure, the letters that started it all weren't even discussed or talked about properly.

Some dodal fans need to stop thinking that just because they see people saying they weren't satisfied with the plot, it's because those people are bitter for not getting a Jidal endgame. I mean, c'mon??? Is the love triangle all you care for? Don't be like the writer who basically pushed this triangle that the title itself didn't make sense anymore.

It also doesn't make sense for KSH stans to want a drama KSH is in to get bad reviews. Perhaps if they did drop some plot reviews that didn't fit your taste, I'd give it to them for having unbiased opinions. Well, only if they talked abt the plot's loopholes (which are many, I must say).

Try to read between the lines. Try to absorb everything with unbiased opinions. Maybe then you will understand.

Aside from Jan Jipyeong, Injae as well wasn't given justice because the writer focused on the love triangle. She's the second FL but it was like she was just having a cameo appearance. Make it make sense.

LMH's fans didn't even get mad when his recent drama had bad reviews as well, so i dont understand why yall are so mad. Criticisms don't necessarily equate to hate, please know that.

Also, all of yall are toxic. Suzy and NJH stans talking shit about KSH, and KSH stans doing the same as well. But I don't see articles calling out the fans of the former, just the latter's.

These actors don't even have to prove anything because they've already done it countless of times. Stop fighting godammit.

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A drama containing all emotions...

In a year like 2020, 'Start-up' was a drama that gave me a reason to pass a week waiting for a new episode.
It had my favorite casts each with unique individual characters. It's true that the story didn't end with what many expected but I was both happy and satisfied with clean beautiful happy ending. It was the type of drama where I found all kinds of emotions. I laughed and cried, hated and fell in love, etc. along with the characters. I also realized how lucky I am to live my life with not much hardships as many others out there. I rode the swing of emotions throughout the last two months.
Seo Dal Mi was a character that I loved and admired from the beginning till end. She had to go through many ups and downs throughout her life and at many times I felt life was too unfair and cruel to her. But she was a strong, resilient person who overcame those hardships. Nam Do San and Han Ji Pyeong were two opposite polar characters who had their own share of moments, stories, experience, sufferings and grew up for the better throughout the story. Seo In-jae didn't have that much of spotlight but I loved the way she paved her way throughout the story.
Grandma Choi Won-Deok is someone we all need in our life. She was the epitome of kindness, forgiveness, joy and more.
Forgiveness is something that is strongly mirrored in this drama. 'Start-up' teaches that life is too short to hate someone, so forgive them and move on with your life happily.
I was happy to watch 'Start-Up' and I hope to find more youth promising and optimistic drama in the future.
Thank you.

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HONEST UNBIASED REVIEW

The main reason I started this show was because of nam Ju Hyuk and Suzy, eventhough I didnt have a lot of exoectatiins after finishing Flower of Evil. But the drama truly exceeded my expectations and even introduced me to an amxing character who plays the role of HJP, a lonely orphan, who writes letters to a girl who needs his company, under a false identity. The story revolves around HJP, dalmi (the receiver of the letters) and Do San (the name of the person whose identity is used). The story is about choosing between your first love or the person who is by your side in the present. All of that with thr main theme of the dramabeing about startinga business and going as far as you canto achieve you dreams. The acting is AMAZING, the music is perfect, the cinematograohy is FLAWLESS (as expected of the director of WYWS), but the story definitely had potential to do better. They focus too much on the love triangle and due to this many of HJP's fans want justice (hence the low reviews imho). You would definitely enjoy the show more as a binge watch. Again all the actors did a perfect job of portraying their characters the way the writers wrote them. I did love it and deffo recommend it . So please do not hesitate because of the low reviews.

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A good drama about finding success and finding love.

STORY:

1) The journey to success:
A group of people in their twenties enter the world of start ups. They use their talent, their personality, their friendship and commitment to fight battles that they win sometimes and loose the other times. It takes them through highs and lows, helps them form or improve personal and professional bounds between them. Mishandled situations by themselves and their mentor separate them but they will be reunited again to find success together.

This business oriented plotline is instilled and developed secondary to the romance plotline. Still it was nice and enjoyable despite the fact that the business ideas developed are no innovations. They already exists in reality. Also the mentoring part was not properly done. The idea of mentoring engineers and coding specialits and CEO like yelling at a dishwasher of a restaurant who slacked is just grotesque. But if we accept that, the story stands.

2) The journey of love and lies:
A grandma schemes a plan to lie to comfort her 12yo granddaughter who is left alone. Grandma and a 19yo highschooler play fake pen friend using the name and identity of another kid her age. It has been decided by Destiny. It will be the long journey of these two of a same age finding each other despite the lies and deception.

The love story turns into a toxic situation when adult Han Ji Pyeong the writer of the letters starts to take a liking for Dal Mi and he stops at no means to undermine Do San and tries to make himself look like the real fated lover of Dal Mi. Of course she doesn't care about it but the fake love triangle lasts until ep 15. I found it was too long. But for the main couple, the love story is very natural and realistic. They looked very good together.


CHARACTERS/ACTORS:
- Dal Mi / Bae Suzy: She is the common thread. The anchor point of most of the other characters. She is a nice girl but also outspoken, rebellious, down to earth, motivated and persevering. She is fighter and a leader. I liked her personality and I liked the fact that she faced all her challenges bluntly by believing in herself and in her choices. I have seen 5 dramas with Suzy. This is her best performance for me. She was convincing all the time when she had to be professional or very emotional.

- Nam Do San / Nam Joo Hyuk : He is a bit timid, not confident, not assertive enough but he is a very nice person. He cares for others and has a lot of empathy. Maybe too much. He is people oriented. People are what makes him give his best. His growth is real but not a twist. It is even more credible. First time seeing Nam Joo Hyuk in a lead role. I found him excellent with a range of emotions larger than common actors in Kdrama. His portrayal of an over sensitive Do San but caring of others was great.

- Han Ji Pyeong / Kim Seon Ho : An orphan full of flaws that he turned as his advantage to become a self made man. He is rude, cold, inconsiderate, nagging, bullying and scheming but also knowledgeable, good natured, sometimes goofy. He has a good heart deep inside and a lot of emotions but he doesn't show it. It is his loss.

- Won In Jae / Kang Han Na: A cold older sister but a resolute an ambitious woman who will stick at her choices and prove herself by all means even if it hurts people around her. She has family values deep inside and it will help her slow path to reconciliation. First time seeing Kang Han Na. She was pretty good in that role.

- Grandmother / Kim Hae Sook : A good hearted and caring grandmother who tries her best to help and comfort her granddaughter and young Ji Pyeong but she does not always uses the best mean. Lying is not a good way. Anyway she did her best and it turned out to be effective. She is a warm and loving person. I was sad about how things turned for her with her health but she was always a positive person. Kim Hae Sook great like most usual suspects in Kdrama.

- Yong San and Chul San : The two others of the Three Stooges of the beginning. They are nerds but they have great interactions to bring fun to the drama. I liked Yong San personal story which was no big deal in the drama but contributed to a key moment of the story. Chul San was super annoying at times but ended quite a good guy.

- Sa Ha: Perfect woman with the perfect face and perfect body and perfect education and high standards and a prickly appearance but in fact she is just a nice girl with a romantic side. Did not know that actress Stephanie Lee before but I will be glad to see her again in another drama.

Others Characters brought their share of fun to this drama:

- Do San parents : great comic relief. They really love their kid but also are too demanding especially the father. I liked the mom and her predictions a lot.
- The cousin : Most epic moment in the drama thanks to him.
- Yoon Seon Hak CEO SH Venture Capital : Liked her 15 years earlier as a fair and professional boss and 15 years after, looking for the girl on the swing.
- Dal Mi' s mom: Super annoying at first but life teaches her a lesson. She will finally make good deeds. I liked her evolution.
- Park Dong Chun (Ji Pyung's junior): always bounced here and there by his boss but he was fun despite little screen time.
- Alex Kwon : A very competent guy and professional with his own agenda. Not a good guy. Not a bad guy. But he does his job and gives you smiles.
- Jang Yeong Shil / Yeo Jin Goo : Funny AI which can't tell the weather properly but gives tips to humans about life.

MUSIC:
It enhanced greatly the sad moments, successful moments, the nostalgic moments.. Overall it was very good.

REWATCH VALUE:
I would rewatch it to look into the details see if I missed something. Find hidden Easter eggs maybe. Too recent for me to think about rewatching but after some time yes I think it is something I would gladly rewatch.

OVERALL: Not a perfect drama because the SML was too annoying and nagging and scheming for too long without having his own arc in the narration to beef him up so that people can adhere to him. Not only to his smile and dimples and as a sad orphan . But as a real good person deep inside and a competent team leader/director. Overall it is an enjoyable drama.


ADVICES IF YOU DECIDE TO WATCH THIS DRAMA:

- Do not fall for ep1 which makes you see the SML as the most adorable person and pitiful orphan and worthy of your sympathy and he must absolutely be the ML of the drama because destiny chose him. He is not. Destiny is going to play an ugly trick on him.
- Every episode, do not focus on one character or one couple. Put yourself in the shoes of every main characters. This drama is about people. Live things like you are at their place. Do not assume what they should understand or do because you as the viewer you know.
- Pay attention to the connexions and interactions between the people. They are as important as the people themselves.
- Pay attention to the details of what is showed. What people say their words but also what emotion their face expresses .

It is demanding but it will help you understand the real intentions and story of this drama.

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Why are people hating on this drama... y’all should stop.

Honestly I’ve watched this drama weekly since the day it aired, I've been completely hooked. This show has made me cry, laugh, curse out loud... it’s been a heck of a ride. The story for me was new and fresh. The cast was amazing, all great actors. I enjoyed watching this show a lot.
Even the soundtrack was spot on. For me it was a light hearted show where the leads faced some challenges but nothing too extreme that they couldn’t over come, there was this whole rivalry angle but everyone sorted it out without it getting out of hand. Yes there are some things I wish that would’ve happened for e g Dal mi and JP having more moments and chemistry on screen but I will not whine about it that much, I’ve just accepted Dal mi being better off with Do San.

So yes a great drama, would I rewatch it again? I probably would.

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The love story isn't the main point!

Great cinematography, literary technique, and a very tight character development script. If you're a literature nerd, you'll enjoy analyzing the foreshadowing, the throwbacks, and the parallel structure in many places.
You'll see major motifs getting called back from time to time to help you understand characters better or signify their development. The writing was also super consistent from start to finish, and loose ends were tied up really well. I love how the story started with mean questions at a talk, and ended with mean questions at another talk. This is the type of production I love to see.

Yes, just like everyone else I got the second male lead syndrome, but the love story isn't the main point here. The writer put so much more emphasis on the grandma x Ji-pyeong "fake family," the Seo sisters + family, the Ji-pyeong x Do-san bromance, etc. I'm especially a fan of grandma and Ji-pyeong... the human aspect of this drama is amazing. Makes me wish I had a grandma like that (cries a little

If you're a cameo-chasing nerd, you'll also enjoy the special easter eggs they threw in. Like the 2 Days 1 Night guy playing a security guard, or Lee Bo-young (female lead of the scriptwriter's previous drama I Can Hear Your Voice) at the bar, or Yeo Jin-goo's voice as Young-sil the AI...

To summarize: Watch it for the production value. Watch it for the family drama. Watch it for character development. You'll love the show.

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fun drama, not worth the fuss or the flak; basic comprehension skills required

Despite the premise, what this drama actually was is a modern take on the Cyrano story with a kdrama twist. The perfect role for a second lead went to, well, a second lead, and some people were Big Mad about it, to the point they envisioned a whole different drama in their heads, then were Big Mad again when it didn't become true, and chalked it all up to bad writing. It wasn't.

Not that this drama didn't have issues, mainly the pacing and muddled middle, but that seems to be a netflix-wide problem with their kdramas. I would've wanted more focus on the sister's relationship throughout the drama, as well as other side characters, but the overstretched love triangle, while annoying at times, wasn't in vain and fell in line with the themes the drama dealt with, about taking risks and getting used to failure.

I say this because, despite the absurd discourse that ensued, within the narrative it was always made perfectly clear why ultimately Dosan would get the girl (Dalmi), and why Jipyeong wouldn't. Jipyeong was always sure of his opinions and was extremely risk-averse, which in turn meant that despite numerous chances to get closer to Dalmi, he chose the safety of distance; Dosan saw those same chances and, despite his lack of confidence, seized them, taking the risks Jipyeong wouldn't. It follows, then, that Jipyeon's journey would be about taking the risk at last (too late) and accepting failure as part of the learning process, something that as late as episode 16 he couldn't accept. And that's what the story did, it lead him to accept his flaws and come to accept that he still has a lot to learn and that mistakes and falls will happen - such as the girl you love not loving you back.

If that's why Jipyeong would lose the girl, then Dosan would "get" her because his own journey was about finding his self esteem and learning where his ambitions were and how those two things came together. Dosan's ambitions at first were directed at other people - he chose to meet Dalmi to help her, he developed Noongi to help her grandma, he opened Sansam Tech to help out his friends. His ambitions weren't about what he wanted, but they were tied to how they made him feel. It took meeting Dalmi for him to realize that he was allowed to want things for himself and not for others, things that made him feel good and confident in himself. It turns out that his ambitions weren't outward but inward - he wanted to BE wanted, for who he was and what he offered, nothing else, to know that who he is was enough. Not fancy jobs or titles, and that never changed about him. That's why Dalmi was his dream, because in his case, wanting her meant choosing his own wants before others.

But what about Dalmi? What irks me about this whole discussion is how little people seem to care about what she wants. She's the center of the plot, the reason all those pieces are set in motion, and is kept blind for half the drama about it. And that's because, while Dalmi became Dosan's dream, so to speak, her journey was about giving him up as hers. The Dosan of her letters wasn't Dosan, and it wasn't Jipyeong either - it was a fiction she held onto for much longer than was healthy, a lifeline when she lost her father that became an anchor dragging her down as an adult. For all that she wanted to follow in her father's footstep, she was trapped in her comfort zone. It took meeting Dosan, the real Dosan, to turn her fantasy dreams into real, actionable dreams, because he stopped being someone who existed in her mind, to someone who was real and offered her the tools to achieve all that her father had wanted. It's not for nothing that his hands were a big motif in their relationship - hands do things, they're about action, and that's what Dosan offers Dalmi, the chance to try things and take risks, and they also catch you if you fall, and pull you back up.

I'm genuinely sorry for the people who suffered SLS, but for those convinced the story went downhill and nothing made sense anymore, maybe take a long hard look at your own interpretation of the story and how far it deviated from the real thing. A lot of us watching from the sidelines were horrified by the extent to which a subset of fans twisted the story to fit their vision, all the while knowing it would come crashing down on them. And it did.

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